Are We Automating Racism?

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Many of us assume that tech is neutral, and we have turned to tech as a way to root out racism, sexism, or other “isms” plaguing human decision-making. But as data-driven systems become a bigger and bigger part of our lives, we also notice more and more when they fail, and, more importantly, that they don’t fail on everyone equally. Glad You Asked host Joss Fong wants to know: Why do we think tech is neutral? How do algorithms become biased? And how can we fix these algorithms before they cause harm?

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On this season of Glad You Asked, we explore the impact of systemic racism on our communities and in our daily lives. Watch the full season here: bit.ly/3fCd6lt Want updates on our new projects and series? Sign up for the Vox video newsletter: www.vox.com/video-newsletter For more reading about bias in AI, which we covered in this episode, visit our post on Vox.com: bit.ly/3mcZD4J
Rushil Kasetty
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So great to see Joss again! One of my favorite hosts
Vaibhav Patidar
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I have a crush on Joss❤️😍
Ser Winzzalot
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There she is!!!!!! Joss!
aznhoops 12
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Yo ngl joss is cute af
Mike Jim
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Joss 🥰
jn18
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I love Joss Fong ❤️
Ari Prabowo
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The content of the video is thought-provoking and Joss is fabulous, as usual. But I feel that the audio in this piece can be better. It's too strong on the mid-range frequency that even with an EQ tweak on my end, the strident sounds are still too sharp on my ears.
Ivy Javagat
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just want to say Joss Fong is so pretty doe
Aldo Perez
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So far out of all the episodes, this is my most favorite and the topic that I can relate the most. The other episodes are also interesting, but I think there's something lacking in the production. Even though the episodes run for only 22mins, I felt sleepy by watching it. I prefer the way Joss Fong talked here, it just makes me listen well. Just my opinion.
Yafidy Muhammad
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I’m here just to see joss. Who else?
Diaz
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joss too cuteeee
rohitanand14
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We missed you joss
Joseph Andreanus Wijaya
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Great and informative video as always, and it's nice to see Joss as the main host of this Video. And this is such a hilarious topic though, never thought of even machines can have racial bias
lies of august
lies of august महीने पहले
When you first see Joss's face on the thumbnail for sure every topics are interesting 😅
Fanary
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joss fong never disappoint me
fingerluck
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I'm here to see Joss Fong, i mean beside this knowledgeable documentary thst that we can learn about racism in tech. We are all human beings, differences makes our lives colorful so keep it that way.
Nomis
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I see Joss Fong on the thumbnail... I CLICK
Atheral
Atheral महीने पहले
Joss Fong. That is all.
Divine Bitter
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I would like to see the contrast pic of the two men Joss took at the beginning and uploaded to Twitter been repeated, but with the black man on the bottom. The background at the top of the pic they took was quite dark, and the lack of contrast might have contributed, along with Twitter's weighting bias, to the white face being featured. I don't think Twitter would switch to picking the black face but it would have helped control for an extra variable.
victor 91
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Yeah it's not bad until when it comes to crime. Black people have to this day still being arrested over mistaken identity at an alarming rate . So weather its machine or human something has to be done!
Huey Freeman
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Best Series yet! This channel never disappoint
sor3999
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I'm surprised the health risk model didn't factor in race because everything else in health care does. You are likely to be screened for heart disease earlier as a black man because the data shows they tend to get it. More simpler, women are more likely to get breast cancer even if a tiny minority of men can actually get it. Lupus is more common in women as well. Health care shouldn't be color blind.
George Willcox
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I feel like a lot of these things aren’t the result of anything racist, but of other external factors end up contributing to that. The example of the hospital algorithm looking at expensive patients, for instance, isn’t inherently racist. The issue there should be with the factors that cause minority groups to cost less (ie. worse access to insurance), not with the software.
CeeSaw
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this was actually a really interesting video! definitely makes me think more deeply about how my biases may affect technology and how they affect me O_O
George Willcox
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Why did you make tea in a saucepan and not a kettle?
Anonymous bub
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7:45 me seeing a little hand wave on the edge of the screen
Vince B
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Thought provoking video! However, using AI generated faces is probably the worst thing to do in this case, since whichever model generated the faces would presumably suffer the same systemic bias. There is a reason we bother collecting actual real-world data instead of using simulated data.
Kianoush Keykhosravi
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Wait, the cameraman is in both rooms but they are face timing each other???
dnyalslg
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I just love their props lol
george so___s
george so___s महीने पहले
Very good videos. Keep them coming
kithytom007
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♥ Joss
raquellochoa
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Oh my goodness the handwashing thing always happens to me and I am brown 🤷🏾‍♀️
Khaled K
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Racism is taught. I would start by questioning a racist persons parents.
Mark Wallace
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So, about the music. I see all music on videos as manipulative. WTF were they trying to make me feel with this stuff. Anyway good stuff.
Firoj Ahmed
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lets not forget how light works in camera. I am a dark skinned person and I can confirm that a light skin would physically reflect higher amount of photon which will result in higher probability of the camera to capture that picture better than that of a black counterpart. same goes for computational photography and basic algorithm that are based on photos that we upload. it only makes sense that it would be bias towards white skin. why does everything have to be taken as an offensive scenario? We are going too far with this political correctness bullshit. Again, I am a person or dark skin and even I think this is bullshit. Now if you use it as if this is an issue in identifying person's face for security reasons or such, then, yes I am all for it to make it better to recognize all faces. But please, please make this political correctness bullshit stop.
karthick v
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Hello VOX Team, I personally a Favourite fan of your channel Videos, Thank you for the sensational projection of various topics and Keep up the great work.
Shion Chosa
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There was a Better off Ted episode. Corporate head office decided to discontinue use of the energy saving technology to save money.
Matthew Leos
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Joss is my hero! I imagine her voice any time I think through the complex features of life. ☺️
CheesecakeLasagna
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Love the production especially on the set!
Riley Madison
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This is a really interesting look into machine learning - great job Glad You Asked team! It stands to reason that there would be bias no matter what because even if the machine doesn't have any inherent bias or self-interest in focusing on one face over another, people are still feeding information into the machine and the machine is basing its results on that information. And humans are still flawed beings who bring with them their own personalities, thought patterns, biases, childhood backgrounds, class backgrounds, et cetera. The only solution is to focus on what information we're feeding machines.
Anil Kaundal
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Algorithms are our opinions written in code.
Seth Deegan
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Data scientists and AI researchers, please do your job ethically without bias.
Rodney Kelly
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At work, I have an IR camera that automatically measures your temperature as you walk into my facility. How it is supposed to do this is by locking on to the face, then measuring the person’s temperature. Needless to say, I want to take a sledgehammer to it. When it actually works, it’s with a dark face. The type of face it has the most problem with is a light face. If you also have a bald head, it will never see you.
TheSTRVman
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4:30. Why are you filming and driving!! No don’t read a quote!! JOSS NOOO. *boomp* *beep beep beep*
Pavan Yaragudi
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Joss Fong!❤️🔥
Gustavo Medrano
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same with medicine. sometimes they used to test it on white males, later on white females because they found out man and woman had different reactions to the same medicine now we know black people react even diferent to the medicine compare to other races... so basically the same is happening with tech...
diane ridley
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The machines are programmed by people. Racist and bigoted and biased people. We are not at sentient machines yet.
Vance H
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Unity in Diversity
Maya PS
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ooo this is so fascinating
Meredith White
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Algorithms of Oppression is a really good book if you want to learn about racial and gender bias in big tech algorithms, like Google searches. It shows that machines and algorithms are only as objective as we are. It seems like machine learning and algorithms are more like groupthink and are not objective.
Atiqur Rahman
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Machines aren't racist. The outcome feels racist due to bias in training data. The model needs to be retrained.
Jake from StarHeart
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How did y’all de-age Steve Coogan?
alex d
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also wtf shaking hands?? hello 'rona
Sam Lee
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Worlds of Math Destruction by Cathy O’Neil really touches hard on this subject, where biases of the designers or the customers of the algorithm have big negative impacts to society. There seriously needs some kind of ethical standard for designing algorithms but it’s so damn hard... :/
Bersl
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There's also the possible issue of "white balance" of the cameras themselves. My understanding is that it's difficult to set this parameter in such a way that it gives acceptable/optimal contrast to both light and dark skin at the same time.
will_ press
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How was the M.I.T lady writing on the glass, because surely she was writing backwards so we can see it?
alex d
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how are you still using skype?
joel Winchester
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1:55 Dàmn 😐👀😐
Christian morales
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What I got out of this is... We need more data ?
wj35651
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18:36 why are they pretending they are talking on a video chat, when they had crystal clear picture from another camera? Reality and perception, subtle differences.
Vox
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We had a camera crew on each end of our zoom call, since we couldn't travel due to Covid. - Joss
C.L. Brown
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Wow, people shouldn't be viewed as data/numbers. We are all uniquely individuals. Software should not be used for calculating/predicting crime and health. We are all too dynamic. Especially during different times and places in our lives.
Milena
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Are we stealing Netflix ideas?
tatianazim1
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As a black person living in North America this sucks...
Jaryd B
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My range of emotions went from: “this is so dumb lol cmon Vox” to “holy fuck Vox thank you for highlighting a story I never would’ve known about”
GreyOwul
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People seem to be noticing how nicely the professor can write backwards... Fun fact: That's a camera trick! incds.info/goon/moqyiKi2a32K1ag/v-iy She is actually writing normally, (So the original video shows the text backwards) but then in editing, the video was flipped again, making the text appear normal. Notice that she is writing with her left hand, which should only be a 10% chance. Great video btw! I thought that the visualization of the machine learning process was extremely clever.
Thus Spoke Moe
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We need more black brown engineers to work on these machines. And every single person in the US should own their data and have control over it.
Kuldeep Μaurya
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Wait.. how did the soap dispenser differentiate between the two hands???
Noah Johnson
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These videos are so solid! I'm about to graduate college with a degree in sociology and so far these videos are hitting a ton of the main points that I've learned about over my four years of education.
Sasha Lee
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Another great interesting video!
Pranav Kakkar
Pranav Kakkar महीने पहले
I missed seeing Josh in videos. Glad she's back.
Zubin Siddharth
Zubin Siddharth महीने पहले
Wait, how was the professor from Princeton able to write in reverse on that glass, so that we could read straight?
Killian Becker
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This feels like a pbs kids show. With the set and all!
Syazwan
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16:15 that got me trippin for a second until I realize they probably just mirror the video so that the writing comes out right and she's not actually writing backwards.
The_void_screams_back
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the level of production on this show is just * chef's kiss *
Sofi
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love this topic!
Shahrukh Shikalgar
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Designers are biased and so do their machines Simple as that
Fandy Hadamu
Fandy Hadamu महीने पहले
Thank you
Danu Setia Nugraha
Danu Setia Nugraha महीने पहले
I never thought about it before. Thanks Vox!
dEcmircEd
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maybe it was more tech focused but it was way more interesting to me than the one about assessing is own racism, which seemed a bit more frivolous in its sourcing and it's overall process. Joss does really great stuff
Yellowsnow69420
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Wow. Really smart and great guests on this video.
daylightinsomniac
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as always the editing is absolutely superior. keeps me hooked.
CHIEF HASKY CREATES
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Thanks for these Joss
Thomas Mastrogiacomo
Thomas Mastrogiacomo महीने पहले
Omg Dawood Khan is really cute! Who else agrees?
Elogene Karl Gallos
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It's been forever since I've last seen Joss in a video. I've almost forgotten how good and well-constructed her videos are.
TheAstronomyDude
TheAstronomyDude महीने पहले
Not enough black people in China. Most of the datasets every algorithm uses were trained by CCTV data from Chinese streets and Chinese ID cards.
Michael Fadzai
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So Twitter said they didn't find evidence of racial bias when testing the tool. My opinion is that they were not looking for it in the first place.
terrab1ter4
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This reminds me of that book, "Weapons of Math Destruction" Great read for anyone interested, it's about these large algorithms which take on a life of their own
Armando René Cantú
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Me at first: "who even asks these questions, sreiously?" Me after finishing the video: "Aight, fair point."
NATHAN BRADSHAW
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The hand soap dispenser is a real thing. Straight up
Jordan JJ
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What a thought provoking episode! That young woman Inioluwa not only knew the underlying problem but she even formed a solution.. when she said that it should be devs responsibility to proactively be conscious of those that could be targeted or specified in a social situation and do their best to prevent it in advance. She’s intelligent, and understands just what needs to be done and stated in a conflict; A solution.. Hats off to her..
Alya Nur Aeni
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I am amazed with the look of the studio. I would love to work there, the atmosphere is just different, unique and everyone have a place there 😍
ron xavier santos
ron xavier santos महीने पहले
Joss talking about twitter in 10:09 then went straight to ad, an you guessed it: twitter
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• 2:58 - Lee was on the right track, it's about machine-vision and facial-detection. One test is to try light and dark faces on light and dark backgrounds. It's a matter of contrast and edge- and feature-detection. Machines are limited in what they can do for now. Some things might never be improved, like the soap-dispenser; if they increase the sensitivity, then it will be leaking soap. • 8:13 - And what did the search results of "white girls" return? What about "chinese girls"? 🤨 A partial test is useless. ¬_¬ • 9:00 - This is just regular confirmation bias; there aren't many articles about Muslims who… sculpted a statue or made a film. • 12:34 - Yikes! Hard to deny raw numbers. 🤦 • 12:41 - A.I.s are black-boxes, you _can't_ know why they make the "decisions" they make. • 13:33 - Most of the people who worked on developing technologies were white (and mostly American). They may or may not have had an inherent bias, but at the very least, they used their own data to test stuff at the beginning while they were still just tinkering around on their own, before they were moved up to labs with teams and bigger datasets. And cats built the Internet.🤷 • 14:44 - I can't believe you guys built this thing just for this video. What did you do afterwards? 🤔
Andy Salcedo
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I'm sorry Joss, but how did the only two people in this video that actively work in the tech industry, that are building these automated systems, only have a combined 5 minutes on screen? You don't talk to the computer scientists about solutions or even the future of this tech, but yet you talk to Dr. Benjamin and Dr. Noble (who don't code) about "implications" and examples in which tech was biased. Very frustrating as a rising minority data scientist myself, to see this video focused on opinion instead of actually finding out how to fix these algorithms (like the description says.) Missed an excellent opportunity at highlighting minority data scientists and how they feel building these algorithms.
Robert N
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A takeaway from this is also another proof that racism is taught... AI is neutral but then becomes inherently racists due to how they were taught. Learn to love instead of hate
Croissants & Coffee
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As more and more governments, like say China, India, Middle Eastern countries, are employing face recognition tools that use such AI for law enforcement and surveillance, and they're buying said software from Western Countries, I am wondering how accurate these systems are seeing as the AI were trained on primarily white faces. Do these AI then learn "locally", and if so, can this data then be fed back into the original AI to make it learn how to recognise those ethnicities in western countries with an ethnically diverse population, like USA, UK, etc.?
Hope Rock
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While I do think that machines are biased I think that saying they're racist is an over statement.
LorentianElite
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I'm a simple man. I see Joss, I click.
Ruchi Yadav
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What you have to say about Pinterest and Tumblr! 🙄
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